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April 19, 2006

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Jane Poveromo

Your article has prompted me to express some of my thoughts on the ongoing discussion of homosexuality which has been raging since the Bahamas Films and Plays Control Board's banning of the film Brokeback Mountain.
I am appalled at the hypocrisy and homophobia of many Bahamians who have condemned this film, most likely without having seen it, and who have in their ignorance missed the point. Its theme is not primarily about homosexuality or bisexuality but about the struggle of two men to deny their love in order to conform to the 'norms' of society; these feelings incidentally (and I say this to the 'Christians') which God gave them, a God who expects us to love, not hate one another.
As a teacher I have long maintained that one's sexuality is not a choice (why would one choose to be held up to ridicule and hatred?) Even at a very young age some of my students' sexual orientation was often blatantly obvious.
As for 'treating' homosexuals, that is as preposterous as asking a heterosexual to take up with a member of the same sex!
Lastly, among the critics of this beautiful film there are no doubt some who in fact find themselves in similar circumstances and live a lie.
Incidentally even the White House this year hosted same-sex families and their children at its annual Easter egg hunt.

Chris Armaly

Interesting article, however just like the yank media we are protecting the gay agenda. Like typical liberals the media preaches tollllllerance, however whenever the church or any traditionalist disagrees there is a direct attack on that person and their family. Some tolerance!
As for whether it is a chosen life style or not, I believe it is both. While some might be born that way, being gay is the "in" thing or the "fad" of the decade, one that is certainly being pushed by the "Hollowood" crowd. In a nutshell don't call me a bigot just because I have not tried or have no desire to chase members of my same sex, or that I am hiding these tendencies and must "find myself". Should they become more mainstream perhaps it would not be such a controversial issue. I have never seen heterosexuals parading in the streets of San Fransicko and Toronto half naked performing sexual acts in public in front of children etc., but perhaps I am to young and it did happen some years before my time.
While if you desire a gay lifestyle, that's fine with me, but don't tell me there isn't an agenda. If there wasn't, our schools (here but mainly in the U.S. and Canada) would be teaching math, English and world history and events, not forcing our young grade 1-4 kids to read "Sally has two Mommies". Please get semi- serious and at least save that for University.

Once again, good article and I am sure you will get a firestorm of responses on both sides of the issue and like me in the middle.

islandlizard

It seems to me, as an outsider who has made the Bahamas my home for over a decade, that the only group desperate to enforce their own Agenda is the fanatical and fundamentalist Christian Council.

This 'council' is a disgrace to true Christians the world over, selectively quoting The Bible for their own gain[1], ignoring the true ideals and principle of the Book, and abusing thier membership in public office to enforce their agenda at will.

This type of fundamentalist behaviour is not new - look at AlQueda, another group that believes its interpretation of religion is the only true correct one.

The Bible teaches many things, but the most important messages are:

None of us has the right to judge another, and;

We must love and forgive all.

The 'Christian' Council in the Bahamas needs to step down from its pious throne and deal with the hypocrisy of its own self.

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[1] Religious fundamentalists such as the council usually quote the words of Leviticus as 'proof' that the stance they take is the righteous one, specifically:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

and

"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

How come these people then choose to ignore other verses from the same chapter, verses such as:

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

and

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

or perhaps:

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)

Maybe the high and mighty council will next turn to the slaughter of those who cuss at their parents.

Maybe they are preparing their campaign for the reinstating and promotion of slavery.

And of course, we are waiting eagerly for the campaign against the abominations that are shrimp and lobster and all who would *dare* to eat them.

Yeah, those lobsters probably have a secret agenda too!

Colyn Roberts

a couple thoughts and comments about the whole Brokeback/Censorship/Gay Agenda controversy:

First ... Pastor Lyall Bethell, Apostle [??] Cedric Moss and Pastor Allan Lee wrote a letter to the editor which missed the point on censorship by a mile. In comparing the voluntary restraint of the Tribune in not printing pornographic photographs with the coercive imposition by government of a movie ban, they really don't quite get the point.

No matter what one's views on morality, the example of Jesus ... the really Christian approach to these things ... doesn't even come close to what I see the established church trying to do in the Bahamas today with marches on cruise ships and an extremely narrow focus on only ONE aspect of sexual sin. (To his credit, Cedric Moss has been very vocal in recent years about other condemnable aspects of the films passed for viewing).

I simply don't see anywhere in Holy Writ where Jesus used - or recommended the use of - civil government to impose an agenda on society. Matter of fact he ate with tax collectors and sinners without condemning them beforehand ... it's what got him trouble with the established clergy of his day.

It is not ... repeat NOT ... the Church's job to change society in any other way than by the attempted persuasion (dare I say conversion ?) of one person at a time ... and that, largely by example (see John 13 guys).

NOW ... to the point of the latter part of Larry's current article: While the Western press would have us believe that "gayness" is innate, the science is still not clear. Indeed, accompanying the original study noting the brain differences between gay and straight men was the qualifyer that it was not certain which came first ... that brain differences may indeed develop as a consequence of a lifestyle (as it does with other learned behaviours).

But be that as it may ... what REALLY concerns me ... is suppose we find (as studies have already shown) that criminals have brain differences. Do we then excuse criminal behaviour?

The horror of this scenario is that rapists, murderers and plain old "tiefs" would have to be excused by the justice system, wouldn't they? Not their fault!

So ... IF a behaviour is wrong (and I'm not pronouncing on gayness here, understand - it's immaterial to the essence of the question) it's wrong. PERIOD.

Don't people have ANY control over their impulses? Do we HAVE to always give in? Do we have no responsibility for our actions?

Again, I want to make it clear I am not pronouncing here on my personal view of a particular aspect of morality. But the questions need asked.

And there are serious implications in the answers which various societies eventually reach by consensus.

larry smith

And by the way, why would anyone who is straight "desire" the gay lifestyle? - you would have to be a real masochist.

andrew allen

I must agree with the reader above who points out that the real people with an aggressive agenda in the Bahamas are the christian freaks who would convert us all to their religious views.

I dont push my atheism on christians, nor my heterosexuality on gays. Why should christians be encouraged to continually pressure all other groups with a faith that many of us find repugnant.

larry Smith

For those of you who are interested, here is Lyall Bethel's response to my article. It was published as a letter to the editor in the Nassau Guardian on April 25.

Dear Sir,
Last week Mr Larry Smith made a "Tough Call", using my recent letter to the Editor concerning Sir Arthur Foulkes' article against the Bahamas Christian Council and the clergy to lampoon the idea of there being a homosexual agenda.

I found it puzzling that he mocks me and the many other "radical evangelical", "right wing", "Bible-thumping" Christians (boy don't we sound scary?) when we say there is a homosexual agenda; cites my quote listing their stated agenda, but then FAILS to address the valid arguments and overwhelming evidence raised.
For those who missed it – on Wednesday April 12th in the Nassau Guardian, a portion of my letter to Sir Arthur was printed where I took him to task for his statement that the Church was attacking homosexuals.

Sir Arthur wrote, inter alia: "Religious leaders can preach all they want against homosexuality or anything else, but in this democratic society and pluralistic society they should not be allowed to manipulate the apparatus of the state to force their views on other people."

My letter of response never appeared in the Tribune.

Into this fray - with the whole nation waiting to see Sir Arthur show his quality and withdraw his hastily spoken comments – jumps Mr Larry Smith, like a soldier of chaos whose job is not so much to win a battle but to keep "the enemy" engaged needlessly, pointlessly. It seems as though his letter was intended to muddy the waters, as opposed to bringing forth any clarity? Can he honestly deny the litany of successes achieved by the homosexual agenda?

No! In fact, he doesn't even try to. Instead, he trots out the usual fare of cliched arguments and tactics used against Christians. Since Mr Smith is too enlightened to use the Bible and its timeless truths he must rely on the "experts", "most scientists" and "studies" to prove his case. Anyone else will notice how "studies" and "experts" seem to contradict themselves depending on who and when the study is done? But anyway, let's have a look at his cited studies, experts and estimates.

The ten percent myth
"Estimates of the number of homosexuals in a given population range from 1 to 10 per cent," he says. But Mr Smith should know that the 10 per cent myth springs in part from research carried out by Alfred Kinsey, which has since been discredited for its shoddy statistical methods. In fact, a legal brief by a coalition of homosexual groups in a 2003 legal case admits that the percentage of people who declare themselves homosexuals or bisexuals ranges from 2.8 per cent for males to 1.4 per cent among females. The brief was filed with the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Lawrence v. Texas. I am surprised that a "thinker" like Mr Smith was not more careful with his research.

Is there a gay gene?
"Experts say there is mounting evidence that homosexuality is caused by genetic susceptibility triggered by prenatal environment," says Mr Smith. The reader should note that central to the programme of the homosexual lobby is that (a) no gay can change, and (b) no gay should change. This has led to attempts to portray homosexuals as having an immutable genetic code that creates them as homosexual at birth. Space will not allow me to take this apart with scientific studies available out there but let me answer him with this. It is noteworthy that leading homosexual apologists have repudiated the genetic myth. David Yates Rist of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation has called the genetic cause argument "an expedient lie." And Peter Tatchell, founder of Outrage, condemned "the flawed theory which claims a genetic causation for homosexuality." As for the homosexual's inability to be changed in his sexual orientation, I must mention that there are many thousands of persons who are living free of their former lives as homosexuals. Check out Exodus Ministries' website to read their stories. Like every other sin for which Christ died there is deliverance for those who truly want to change. Obviously, I could go on taking his article apart but I doubt any of the papers will give me the two-page spread Mr Smith had to rant and rave, so let me end here.

Thanking you in advance for the space in your valued column.

Yours, etc.,
Pastor Lyall Bethel

David Smith

In Mr. Bethel's response he never once spoke to the abuse of power of the "so called" Christian Council in banning this movie. Interesting....

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