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Rick

Brilliant!

Erik Russell

Hi Larry,

I read with interest your column this week, as I do most weeks. The topic of course is both relevant and one that stirs the emotions of pretty much everyone, no matter where one’s opinions lie.

I can hardly express my views on all of your points but wish only to make these simple comments:

Having been born in the home of a Baptist minister I come from the perspective of having a relationship with God, and am a Christian. Anyone that is truly a Christian--that is, striving to be “Christ-like”--could not possibly portray any sort of pomposity; this was not the way or the spirit of Christ.

Sadly, many Christian leaders assume a vicarious role of God-Judge and feel it is their calling to wield their power like a horsewhip, controlling THEIR followers (not Christ-followers) and anyone they can influence with their self-motivated attacks. On this point, we agree.

But I must take exception with your choice of an example of a “religious leader” in the person of Jerry Falwell. I am not about to debate your points or defend him, mostly because I disagree with almost every method he has chosen to further his causes. And it is on that point that I challenge your premise of holding up Rev Falwell, and the broad brush of the members of the Bahamas Christian Council, as examples of religion gone wrong. By holding up these as the examples of why Christianity is a bad thing for society is like saying that all white people are evil because some white people cheat on their Customs duty forms. Or that all black people are slobs because some black people keep a messy house.

By doing this, you ignore the tremendous good that humble, honest, loving, selfless Christian leaders and laypeople do in this world every single day that journalists hardly ever hear about because no one is hurt, there is no one to complain, there is nothing scandalous about it. Want an example? Nearly 400 college-aged Christian volunteers spent their own money to fly from across the U.S. to Grand Bahama, spent their own money for meager food and lodging in a church hall for weeks with no conveniences or luxuries, and worked at hard labour jobs replacing roofs, rebuilding interior walls, hauling garbage, painting and doing masonry work. Another 40 young teenage volunteers worked to raise the funds they needed to fly from Nassau to Grand Bahama to do much of the same work. There were also at least a dozen more Grand Bahama Christians that worked tirelessly preparing the way for all of these volunteers, coordinating materials, supplies and tools that they needed to work.

These are not extraordinary things. Christians do these things, and many others, every day around the world because this type of selfless service is something that is a natural action of someone that has experienced God’s grace. (I don’t want to be misinterpreted as saying that Christians are Christians because of what they DO; the good that Christians DO is a symptom of their faith, not the basis of it.)

My issue with your premise is that you have taken some examples of extreme bad behaviour and propose that this is the most common behaviour among a segment of society that also has thousands of people that are properly motivated, God-fearing, and law-abiding. They are not perfect, not pompous and not on a witch-hunt to rid the world of gays. To conclude that all Christians are bad for society is as erroneous as concluding that all homosexuals are paedophiles.

Christopher Hitchens’ viewpoint on religion is quite clear, as he states in his recent book, “God is not Great”, saying that religion is "violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children." There is certainly some truth there; for religion is a creation of mankind, not God. And in that manmade creation there lies tremendous abuse.

But to grossly apply this unfortunate and ignorant view to all of those that have a belief in God can only come from someone that stands on one side of wall and hurls stones at those on the other side, a place that he has never been, has never seen and has no interest of being. His crippled perspective is based on peeping through a tiny crack in the wall and listening to the yelps of those he strikes.

While I can come up with just as many examples of religion gone wrong as can you or Mr Hitchens, I can also tell you of people and occasions that demonstrate the incredible good that Christ-followers effect in this world, and have done for hundreds of years.

This is obviously a complex topic and I have only touched on one point of contention that I have with this particular piece. I look forward to next week, and promise not to blah-blah-blah every time I disagree with you. Well, it doesn’t happen THAT often. ☺

Take care,

~ejr~

larry smith

Feel free to disagree with me any time, but where did I "conclude that all Christians are bad for society"?

The main premise of the article is the separation of church and state, and the main example in support of that premise is the attempt to create a Moral Majority movement here similar to Falwell's - which is why I used him as an example of a "religious leader".

I am sure there are many other accounts one could give of religious people, but I chose those particular local examples because they are 'in my face', if you will, throwing their weight around and trying to stir up a hornet's nest over a non-issue in order to big themselves up (to put it charitably). Just like Falwell did.

larry smith

Today's (Oct 3) Tribune carried several stories relating to this topic, including a ranting attack on media coverage by Pastor Lyall Bethel and a condemnation of the "pernicious influence of gays" at every level of society by Clever Duncombe.

Tribune News Editor Paco Nunez responded with a front-page editorial, excerpts from which are posted here:

"The Tribune subscribes to the democratic ideal of allowing all voices to be heard and does not choose sides as Pastor Bethel claims.

He appears to share the politicians' fascination with hierarchy and believes it should be applied to what is newsworthy.

While they (the Christian Council) are always quick to become militant on this issue, they fail to say anything of substance with regard to the rampant incest, paedophilia, sexual crime and adultery which plague this society.

We are a bit disappointed that the Bahamas is not yet a mature enough country to have dispensed with this kind of paranoia."

Erik Russell

"Conclude" was a poor choice of words on my part. "Infer" would have been more accurate. This inference was made by the absence of any positive examples of Christian influence on society.

On the subject of the separation of church and state, I can only agree -- for the benefit of the state and the church.

On your explanation of using Falwell as an example of the potential danger of a "Moral Majority" in the Bahamas I can agree with that possible danger if its path follows Falwell's.

EB Christen

As always, brilliant article. It frightens me that there are so many loud, supposedly 'Christian' voices in this country that are ready to judge, condemn and scream for hell, fire and brimstone over something like a Cable TV channel or a movie, but do very, very little about the rampant problems of child abuse, incest, HIV/AIDS, the state of education (math/english skills here - not RE and Biblical stuff) and the total lack of family planning that occurs in this country. Condemning gays is a cheap way to win elections and a cheap way to raise money. Then again, one is stuck wondering how so many Bahamians can rationalize financing the extravagant lifestyles of these 'pastors', 'reverends' and 'preachers'.

We indeed have many respectful and wonderful Christians, but in allowing the fundamentalists to be the loudest Christian voice in the country, they lose their own moral voice and sensible standing and they allow these fundamentalists to lay claim to the good name and wonderfully humanist teachings of Jesus Christ.

I believe in secularism because I believe that Jefferson was correct. Spirituality is the relationship between a man/woman and his/her god. All else is folly and contrary to the true essence of spirituality and also contrary to the teachings of Christ - for those Christians who forget to actually read the Bible. The emphasis of Jesus message was always to look to your own salvation and not to concern yourself with the 'sins' of others. He also emphasized works over faith, yet these values are constantly forgotten in favour of gay bashing and other nonsense.

The Bahamas needs to be careful because fundamentalist religion is very difficult to contain once it organizes and asserts itself. Children deprived of REAL education and foreseeing a future of limited prospects are susceptible to the ramblings of the religiously zealous. This phenomenon has raised its ugly head in the Middle East in the form of Islamic fundamentalism, but it has also grown profoundly in the United States in the form of Christian fundamentalism. There is little difference between them for me.

I will close this comment with a quote from a truly enlightened human being:

The ideals which have lighted my way, and time after time have given me new courage to face life cheerfully, have been Kindness, Beauty, and Truth. The trite subjects of human efforts, possessions, outward success, luxury have always seemed to me contemptible.

Albert Einstein

Kimberly

Bravo ... "primates" indeed!

nicob

Thank you Larry.

I keep waiting, often in vain, for our religious leaders to condemn other, far more pervasive sins as whole-heartedly as they do homosexuality. But no; adultery, pedophilia, rape, murder, theft, violence, bullying, cheating, mendacity and hypocrisy appear not to be on God's agenda at all.

According to our religious leaders, that is.

Cheers.

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