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Bill

Is there any country in the world, classifed as 1st world, that is NOT Euro-influenced??...Aside from Japan?

And even that's debatable on the merit of them being a US proctectorate for over 50+ years!

You blame the Bahamas and castigate "Bahamians", for things that really aren't our fault and beyond our control, Larry- un-derservedly so, considering who and what we have to deal with!

JMO!

Bill

larry smith

This article merely points out that we already know, with a large degree of confidence, what the problems are and what needs to be done.

There was no 'castigation' that I am aware of.

And if we Bahamians aren't to blame for our own problems who is? Adam?

Bill

Larry,

I guess your caterwalling of everything bad that is Bahamian, which happens to be everything, is not "castigation?....I see.

Carry on!

Bill

larry smith

Well, I guess you want me to talk the usual Bahamian tripe. That ain't ga happen.

Bill

Larry,

What do you refer to as "tripe"??

You are one of the foremost writers in the Bahamas, so anything reflected in this country, you would have a lens that would showcase that. Anything in regards to tripe, you certainly report on it- true!

As for solutions, I think you are far behind in that regard. Moaning and griping, without putting forward a good note every now and then, is rather pointless and a waste of good energy- unless that floats your boat.

For example, and I am no FNM by any means, the budget prepared just recently, showcased at least a starting point for a few good things to happen in regards to welfare and investment stimulation. A little thin on education (policy wise), but we have to wait until the communication of the education Minister- who has a penchant for financial advisory- to see what the vision is. Hopes up, and fingers crossed.

Now, welfare is a crucial point, in regards to even your topic, when we speak to addressing social break down...more needs to be done from that end. But, that is a start.

I think I put forward a good analysis in regards to the comparison of Iceland and social economies that work for net social benefit in regards to us finding- or having the inability to find criminal justice administrators.

I would suggest, if you want to write without push back from serious intelectuals and academic critique, is that you look a little deeper into the issues, instead of pointing to random facts and emotive catch pharses, which speaks to very little- to be totally honest with you. "Iceland is a 1st world country, with a 1st world mentality", is not productive dialouge. Its moaning!

That being said, I normally like your views as weak on analytical grounding as they are at some points, and, for that matter, whether or not they line up to what you started off with (The Mugabe and PLP thread, was a little "off")--- the point is, sometimes allot of things need to be said. And I can appreciate this. However, I want to encourage you to speak to the issues, without all of the catterwalling and emotive dialouge, which to be quite frank, borders on misanthropy and reeks of blind discrimination- I know it can't be the latter, more over it is a matter of true information on the people to whom you speak!

JMO!

Bill

Rick

What are the solutions Bill?
List some solutions for us please.

Bill

Rick,

You and Larry, appear to know it all. Nothing more I can add aside from my observations.

However, the civic,church and state leadership, have solutions on tap- perhaps you should ask them?

I learned a little while ago, and perhaps a bit too late, is that Bahamians don't like a know it all or solutions- their request for solutions, are rhetorical.

Best,

Bill

larry smith

You are a comedian Bill. Where do you think I got the solutions outlined in my article?

My point? They are not being implemented.

And if an intellectual and academic such as yourself doesn't know what first world and first world mentality mean, I can direct you to some internet resources.

Bill

Larry,

I love the "snark"...sorry I missed the "solutions" in your initial thread. Perhaps I should review it!?!?!

But, seriously now, I never said that I was an intelectual and academic, but thank you for the compliment. I just suggested that if you don't want a critique from one, or push back on what you propose, then don't post such sweeping indictments on Bahamian attitudes and mentalities- if you took that as being me, then it is what you want it to be- typical or not.

Now, I had issues with what you meant by "tripe"; still do, for that matter. Also, I don't think you need to go as far as direct me to literature on first world mentality- I would look up on it, just for you, on another spare moment.

Best,

Bill

FactBringer

If you think recent events signify "the point of no return" then the truth is we passed that point TEN YEARS AGO.

10 years ago I had to walk and ride jitneys home from highschool. I saw all the same stuff back then including witnessing many "near-death" events. They of course didn't get nearly as much coverage as recent events since they were only "near" death.

28 teenagers knifed to death in all of Britain sounds like a positive thing considering that London alone has over 7 million 5-hundred-thousand people.

FactGatherer

Re: C.Lowe
Wasn't Pindling the one who replaced all the foreign school teachers and transformed GHS from the Doctor/Lawyer/Politician factory it once was into what it is today?

Bill

Hi Factbringer,

I tend to agree with you that at least 10 years ago, this issue got way out of hand.

In the mid-80's, we had gangs, but the fellah's never killed each other. It was, even though they fought, like a neighbourhood club. Now, I see shades of the LA 70's gang culture tipping point, well, saw shades of it in the mid-90's and exploding, now.

We have done little to get to the core of it. We have done nothing aside from Urban Renewal and that was killed to its core, if its attempt was full hearted.

While folks may say that these guys are killing themselves. The attempted murder in Sandy Port, the attempted murder of the NJ cop and the attempted murder of the insurance exec in Freeport, shows us that this thing is creeping to their door; our door.

The drug culture, which people always point to, is a very weak argument to make in regards the gang and robbery culture we have now. The only connection to the drug culture these gang members have, is due to their marijuana use, or, for the fact that a petty dope dealer, lives down the street from them.

Gang hits and drug hits, are two different hits and have two separate epistimologies to what we have from them now. Also, I never got the connection of the drug culture of the 80's, to what we have in the violent culture today- in fact, there is just as much connection, as it is with conch from Bamboo Shack.

As said, most of these gang members, are not tied to drugs in any shape or form, aside from the fact they use- more people, not in gangs, use marijuana than the ones who are involved in gangs. Their parents, are not from the drug culture and most are decent people and never had a family member, who imported the drug culture, to cause these young men to go crazy and kill each other. Their interaction, the parents, with drug culture people, are thing and very sparse....simply put; drugs didn't kill the young men and women, people killed these young men and women.

All of that being said, we have to start to look seriously at the issue, and not shout emotive slogans at these issues, because it makes us feel good about knowing a sexy little catch phrase over the other guy.

As far as I'm concerned, we have not started even looking at the issues in depth, let alone make steps towards getting at solutions!

Best,

Bill

Bill

Just to add that I am by no means a PLP either...just in case, you got my previous point, confused with my picking sides!

Bill

ralph massey

I thought this was dead on.

But...I say that the new crime commission should scrap any work done
to date (and that may not be much) and simply re-publish your report.

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