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August 08, 2007

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Christina M.Thompson

I always read Tough Call, but I have to say you are so on point with this one. I think that we are really teetering and perhaps your suggestions will be put in place. Again, great column and maybe someone with the power will listen.

donald campbell

In my view it is clear from the content of this column which political party you support - FNM!!!

As a columnist presumably you are presenting your views and therefore it is not to be under the realm of a journalist, although surprisingly I could not recall seeing a clear distancing from your views by the Tribune. This would suggest that the Tribune is obviously in complete agreement and accepts your views as its own!

Back to your views, bias and prejudice is what is wrong with the Bahamas today and even worse the complete disregard for these practices to the extent that we say it does not exist.

Both parties had failures and successes would it not have been more productive to highlight successes and constructive criticism for failures?

But alas we have people like you and the senior personnel at the Tribune and now the Guardian who only find fault for a particular sector of the Bahamian society.

Finally, a thought for your next column, consider how the Bahamas would have been without the successes of Messrs. Pindling, Ingrahm and Christie. One truly wonders???

P.S. God gave charge of The Bahamas to Bahamians as he gave charge to all things on earth to us to be dealt with in his favour!!

larry smith

Thank you for your comment.

Probably the main reason you have given me a political label is the last paragraph of my article.

However, if we are to be objective I think you would agree that there is no comparison between the management abilities of Messrs Christie and Ingraham.

And good management is what our country needs most today.

If you read through the political articles on my web site (which are few in number) over the past four years that I have been writing, you will, I hope, perceive a very even-handed approach.

But as a commentator I have to deal with reality - and what the PLP is doing today is not productive. It is not constructive. And it does not help their cause.

The Tribune's editorial policy is based on Eileen Carron's opinion as the owner. I write my personal views as an independent columnist. It is for readers to decide whether or not I am making a constructive contribution to the national debate.

I believe I made it abundantly clear in my article that both parties have contributed to the position in which we find ourselves today. But I lean in the direction that the PLP bears a greater responsibility, having been in control for 30 years since 1967, and having wasted the past five years when they could easily have made a big comeback.

I doubt if you could identify any other writer who brings as much background and perspective to national issues as I do. But everyone is entitled to a point of view.

Finally, as I noted in my article, the reformers of the 1960s and the reformers of the 1990s both made enormous contributions to the development and democratisation of Bahamian society. But that does not mean we do not face significant challenges today.

One truly wonders if we will be able to overcome these challenges by pointing fingers and worrying about labels.

The Observer

In your response to Donald Campbell you said, “Probably the main reason you have given me a political label is the last paragraph of my article”. I disagree, I think the sentence, “According to disgraced former cabinet minister Shane Gibson” put the F.N.M. label on you. Have you in any of your columns labeled Tommy Turnquest (air-conditioning and party deal) a disgraced cabinet minister? Or Brent Symonette (airport deal) a disgraced cabinet minister?

On another note, why are F.N.M. sympathizers so much against the P.L.P. going to election court? What is going to happen if the court finds there was wide spread election fraud and awards the three seats to the P.L.P.? Do you think Hubert Ingraham will hand over government to the P.L.P. or will he call another election? Hence the reason for election mode of both parties. The F.N.M. is just as much in election mode as the P.L.P., just about every speech or press conference by a cabinet minister displays this fact. The Bahamian people will decided at the end of the day if the P.L.P. wasted our time and energy on the election courts. If they did, they will lose the respect and loyalty of many Bahamians and F.N.M.s will have something to crow about.

A word of advice Larry, make sure you keep you immune system in top shape. The bias virus is contagious and rampant on Shirley Street and now also Oakes Field. As for your list of “unfinished business”, good job, now lets see how much they accomplish. Pleaseeee come back in 12 months with a column grading them on how much of what you listed is achieved.

My observations.

nicob

I agree with your major premise, Larry. We spend too much time talking about parties and far too little time talking about The Bahamas. The result, quite naturally, is fracture and fragmentation.

Our problem as a nation appears to be that we do not breed statesmen or patriots. In part because of the histories of the two major political parties, rooted in issues of race, self-determination, and self-government, we have failed collectively to create any single national perspective that can be shared by all. In this we are all guilty, not just the people who play on our prejudices in their election games. As a result, all discourse is politicized.

The fault today does not lie with any specific political party. Although the opposition has been more vocal and polarizing, that is what oppositions have the luxury of doing. But the government has to bear critical responsibility as well. Governments represent us all, and governments who are forced to rule with narrow margins have a greater burden than most.

I am left to draw the conclusion that politicians are unable to be statesmen when they come to power. Never mind history; in the world of the arts, you are only as good as your last work. Things change, and circumstances change. While no living Bahamian government has ever had to rule with such a narrow majority, it is irresponsible, in my opinion, to focus all one's energies on the possibility of another election. We have lost enough time on election foolishness this year, and what we need are leaders who can envision a path for the future of us all.

The Observer

Nicob, no one seems to want to answer the question, What is going to happen if the court finds there was wide spread election fraud and awards the three seats to the P.L.P.? Were they right in pursing the election court or should they have let wrong overrule right? Would it have been the proper thing to let a government not duly elected by the Bahamian people remain in power?

My observations.

Karen Burke

Your article is piercing and potent and will not easily appeal to the jaundiced mind bent on furthering a self-centered agenda. The dire need for national transformation is aptly presented and it is refreshing to see how thoroughly you researched your supporting facts. This gives me great respect for your journalism.

We are all Bahamians, our politics or creeds notwithstanding. The vitality of our national health takes precedence over all our personal agendas. More pointedly, the wellbeing of the Bahamas rests in the hands of us ALL and any inflammatory provocation by influential members of society, aimed at inciting the uninformed to revolt, should be viewed as borderline sedition.

One Bahamas means just what it says: Forward, upward, onward, TOGETHER.

joanne smith

Shane Gibson disgraced himself when he continued to be associated with Anna Nicole even after the association was given such bad press. Even if he was completely innocent he has a wife who still has to live here and face all the bad publicity about him lying in ANS's bed. He was a cabinet minister and therefore a role model; the party was already having problems with discipline in the cabinet and he should have drawn back. He should have known better not to make his marriage a poppy show! Turnquest and Symonette did not bring shame on everyone around them.

Public figures are just that - if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen!

The Observer

Joanne, Joanne, how can you say Turnquest “did not bring shame on everyone around them.” Was not the $30,000 a birthday party for Turnquest paid for by a person that got an air-condition deal for Ministry of Tourism when Turnquest was the minister? Symonette was a little different but still disgraceful considering he still does not seem to think he did anything wrong with the airport contract.

As for Gibson, I would say he showed very bad taste and lack of judgment, nothing more. As for making a poppy show of his marriage, I don’t think so, he hid nothing as he had nothing to hide. The bad press was given by the BIAS VIRUS of Shirley Street that had an axe to grind with him because of the ENGLISH VIRUS having a problem getting his work permit renewed. Actually the publicity that the Bahamas received internationally, it would never been able to afford and it was never view negatively by international persons, entertaining maybe. Most if not all the negative press came directly from the computers of the BIAS VIRUS of Shirley Street.

My observations

drew Roberts

To Observer.

"Nicob, no one seems to want to answer the question, What is going to happen if the court finds there was wide spread election fraud and awards the three seats to the P.L.P.?"

I have heard someone suggest that if the first seat goes to the PLP that Ingraham will call another election.

The person suggesting it said that no one had the power to stop him doing it if he so chose.

I would think that if so, this might be a real possibility.

How many seats would be needed for a swing? tow of three, or all three?

If there was indeed widespread fraud, what does that say of the PLP's ability to properly run the country? If it did happen, it happened on their watch. Could they not get such a fundamental thing right?

all the best,

drew

kj

hi all im a bahamian living in south east asia in which some countries it is filled with poverty bahamians have a lot to be thankful for but they are squandering it through envy backbiting etc.these politicians are the reflection of the bahamian society no wonder they behave like little school children while i love my country most bahamians are small minded take for instance if a person there see you trying to make a better way for yourself instead of they try to help yo they pull you down im not saying that dont happen all over the world but i bahamas its like a disease the politicians are paid money to do the job for the bahamian people and patting themselves on the back for what they did is no favor to us.AS i read news from the bahamas seems like the country in turmoil im on next side of the world and see this imagine they country we depend on for our livihood.We have failing students cost of living skyrockting dont have a proper university we so far behind in the world its laughable all these politicians want to do is get in power to enrich themselves and their friends they dont care about you or me so my people band together and have these people in power do their job.Its the only way things will change.

EB Christen

One thing comes through over and over again when you read the outbursts of PLP supporters on this website: emotional character and party defenses rule their arguments and there is little actual defense of policies or any attempt at identifying true accomplishments.

Policy and not personality should be the order of the day in this little country. I tire of pointing out that there are global corporations with bigger head aches then our government and these corporations handle sometimes double the number of people.

The last 5 years left me embarassed to be a Bahamian. The next 5 years might be better, but I have my doubts. I couldn't care less about parties and political egos! I want to see action and results and improvements! I want good roads, a serious education reform, a serious plan for downtown, an end to pettiness and grand standing and an end to the FREE ride of government! This country is for the Bahamian citizen not for its megalomaniac politicians, which ever side of the fence they stand.

For a country this size, party politics on this scale is an anachronism. IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM, FIND THE SOLUTION AND F****** IMPLEMENT IT! We are small and we sit next to the biggest market in the world, yet we squander our blessings in pettiness and stupidity. GROW UP BAHAMAS!

kj

my other contribution this thread is can we find leaders from among us?It seems that only certain few can lead the bahamas do we realize in in nearly 40 years we have only had 3 prime ministers no wonder the country is falling apart every year we re elect the same people over and over what changes will come the people who we relect has not changed ideas they come to the table with the same old formula what was not working its like a recipe for disaster take for instance MR Ingraham coming back to the FNM it was a mistake in my opinion for the FNM party to allow him back because what it will create is more strife within that party who will be the future leader of the FNM.they should have had the fortitude to try and groom somebody in this election for the future even if they had lost at least that person would have gained some expirence in the leadership position but i guess those in the party because they want instant success and greed they allowed it to happen. the plp on the other hand needs to deal with their leadership situation now to give that person time to prepare for the next election we in the bahamas like to wait around till five years nearly up to say who will lead a certain then all the bickering and infighting causes the party to lose focus on what they are suppose to we need fresh leadership in the bahamas some of these politicians been around nearly 40 years time for them to retire and allow new set of people to put new ideas on the table im not impressed with any party because its the same thing over and over the only people that wont complain is those who benefit directly from their friends or family in parliarment.

drew Roberts

To kj,

Re: Leaders from amoung us / grooming leaders / etc.

Hear, hear.

To put some more thoughts into the mix along those lines...

No matter if you think Mr. Ingraham is a great leader or a terrible leader or somewhere in between, surely he would have been a better leader and done better by the country had he shown the ability to seek out and groom another person able to be as good as or a better leader than himself to follow him during his first two terms when he had stated he would only serve two. Does anyone disagree with this?

On your point of 40 and 3, and leaders from amoung us... were all three men lawyers by profession? When will we have a carpenter for a prime minister?

all the best,

drew

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larry smith

Only problem with that is we are such a small pond and individuals with the leadership skills and commitment to party politics are hard to find.

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